"Rezz me b**ch" "Your fault" - Healer Jaundices

Most people want to play dps so they don't have responsibility. Then there are those who have the elitist attitude to them and if everything does not go perfect they usually blame the healer. Of course we can't forget about the stupid or lazy either who don't want to move and follow mechanics and just want to pad those dps numbers. I happen to enjoy healing a lot and sometimes find myself in those situations then I ask myself was it my fault? If the answer is no I just put everyone who is QQ and raging on me because I didn't heal them enough and put them on ignore. I also tend to not heal people who want to stand in the "fire" just to get extra dps and refuse to heal them until they move. I also wouldn't waste a rez on them either. May sound just as harsh as they do but after enough situations such as this is the reason I do all that now. I have developed three simple rules for healing.

1. You can't heal stupid
2. Heal yourself (can't heal anyone if you're dead)
3. Heal the tank

Both healer and tank take specific people to play. They need to be willing to be active and engaged in order to be successful at either role. There is no such thing as a "lazy" healer or tank who plays well. But as far as your situation goes. Every community has toxic players and Bless will be no different. We just have to wade through the stupidity and find common ground. We just have to hope they are the minority and not the other way around.

Coming from a tank/dps player, i have no issues with healers as playing old school wow and raiding in rift or even in eos dungeons, if you die its due to you being an idiot, the healer to me when im on my tank is there for me so i can be more chill with holding aggro and making sure the DPS stick to the boss mechanics... When DPS'ing if i die its my own fault, sometimes healers are at fault but thats usually when they arent very good at healer or spec'd wrong.... But overall raging is pretty pathetic. I have never been a healer ever its boring for me, i have played like support classes like a bard or druid in games before but never gone full healer i dont enjoy it haha.

SRTero wrote:

Coming from a tank/dps player, i have no issues with healers as playing old school wow and raiding in rift or even in eos dungeons, if you die its due to you being an idiot, the healer to me when im on my tank is there for me so i can be more chill with holding aggro and making sure the DPS stick to the boss mechanics... When DPS'ing if i die its my own fault, sometimes healers are at fault but thats usually when they arent very good at healer or spec'd wrong.... But overall raging is pretty pathetic. I have never been a healer ever its boring for me, i have played like support classes like a bard or druid in games before but never gone full healer i dont enjoy it haha.

I agree. I like the "hands-on" approach of melee classes but I much prefer tanking over dps because I like to take the lead and control momentum.

midnasan wrote:

Why can´t they sympathise with it?

Because they can't sympathise with anything but themselves. And I'm afraid for many people this isn't reduced to no sympathy with a healer in a dungeon.

I would just leave in such a situation; my playing time is too precious for something like that.

Meruru wrote:

Because they can't sympathise with anything but themselves. And I'm afraid for many people this isn't reduced to no sympathy with a healer in a dungeon.
I would just leave in such a situation; my playing time is too precious for something like that.

I agree with this sentiment. DPS is also more appealing because of the whole "power" aspect. Healers aren't perceived as powerful and tend to be more party oriented than solo oriented. So this turns some people off to the idea. This along with some of the difficulty curve involved with playing healer is often higher than your typical DPS class.

Healers will always get the blame, as most of the poor players, who want a easy run, and not have to shoulder any responsibility roll as dps, then when things go tits up they end up shouting the most!

Nemeses wrote:

Healers will always get the blame, as most of the poor players, who want a easy run, and not have to shoulder any responsibility roll as dps, then when things go tits up they end up shouting the most!

I have to agree with this. Blame usually falls first on the healer, then tank, then DPS. Healing takes a strong individual to get through all the toxic parties they might encounter.

I think everyone got a part of responsability when it comes to a wipe, and what cause the wype, BUT I can't agree with players who actually says that the healers is a shitty player when they make shit themselves like not avoiding AOE or staying in flames for exemple.

My opinion is that the Healer as other things to do than heal a dps unless the mechanics forced it, like raid wide damage.

A dps who got kill by a cleave from the boss and then says that the healers is a noob isn't clearly a good player cause he don't have to stay in the front of boss from the first place.

I'm always playing tank on MMORPG, and for me, the best way to make my healer staying alive is to keep aggro and reduce the damage taken, the lower the better, to keep him from stress.

Nemeses wrote:

Healers will always get the blame, as most of the poor players, who want a easy run, and not have to shoulder any responsibility roll as dps, then when things go tits up they end up shouting the most!

Sadly, this is true... but any character got a job to fulfill, the tank must keep the aggro, the heal must keep the group alive, and the dps must hit as hard as they can AND avoid taking damage.

When a group play correctly you can see this : The dps don't take damage = The healer can focus on the tank (and even dps if he want's it) = the tank receive more heal and don't need too overused his defensive CD. And like magic, the group stay alive

Ultimately it boils down how well to both the tank and healer can do their jobs well. Healers and Tanks can carry groups together as even with bad or low dps, you will still get through the dungeon. But such is the responsibility you take by accepting these roles.

Pentrep wrote:

Ultimately it boils down how well to both the tank and healer can do their jobs well. Healers and Tanks can carry groups together as even with bad or low dps, you will still get through the dungeon. But such is the responsibility you take by accepting these roles.

Oh my god ! At least one person who thinks that !

I can't disagree with you on this point, Where Tank and Heal are almost always essential, DPS isn't. But some mechanics like DPS-check (don't know if we got one in Bless, i haven't tried the game) makes the DPS a important role that you have to master.

I used to play as a Healer (Cleric) on DDO years ago &
I also had that Character spec'ed for DPS too. I played
it so well that I solo'ed Epic Raids with it.
But due to this Thread (and seeing this all the time in
MMO's as well), I'm considering making my old DDO
Character Build in Bless now. LOL

While a good tank and healer can make an otherwise mediocre party great, and they can allow parties with otherwise low / mediocre DPS to succeed they can not allow an otherwise terrible group to be successful especially in the late game.

This is seen all the time in PuGs in practically every game in the genre, especially with bosses that have complex mechanics and consistent AoE attacks. A dungeon run typically has several ways to "fail" and many are on a per-player or per role basis. For Example:

Tanks can wipe a party through:

Failing to keep aggro
Pulling too many trash packs at once
Mispositioning (typically playing too far forwards)
Failing mechanics (doesn't account for major dmg spike, doesn't account for changes in rotation etc)
Poor resource management (typically leads to failing to keep aggro or failing mechanics)

Healers can wipe a party through:

Failing to provide adequate healing to the tank
Mispositioing (typically playing too far backwards)
Failing mechanics (doesn't account for party-wide damage, doesn't account for major dmg spike etc)
Poor resource management (sometimes can be a result of the tank pulling too fast)
"Gifting" aggro to somebody else

DPS can wipe a party through:

Mispositioning (fire, cleave attacks, more fire, AoEs, pulling mobs etc)
Failing mechanics (doesn't account for changes in rotation, or any other "special" task a healer or tank can't do in a fight)
Poor resource management (using giant steroids sub-optimally or not using them at all)
"Gifting" aggro to somebody else

As we can all see there are more ways a healer or a tank can ruin a party run; however, we always see dps players making these mistakes most often. Why? Part of it is that it is easier to make these mistakes as a dps player. Their job is to do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible while also staying alive. Several DPS players simply try to use the same rotation in every dungeon in an attempt to get the highest numbers possible.

This mindset, combined with the fact that a dungeon party will (typically) have more people focusing on dps than tanking or healing means players (especially those who tank or heal) are more likely to run into players who think dpsing is a simple task.

In fact I have a story about something similar:

So while there are many times we just want to flame that "stupid assassin" or "useless mage" sometimes it is better to take a step back and just let them learn. Repeated stupid mistakes, shouldn't really happen (standing in the fire, dieing to melee cleave attacks as a ranged class) there is a learning process.

While this learning process would become easier if people did their own research beforehand or even simply asked for in-game reminders, the elitist attitudes around late game and group content doesn't help at all.

Tycon wrote:

While a good tank and healer can make an otherwise mediocre party great, and they can allow parties with otherwise low / mediocre DPS to succeed they can not allow an otherwise terrible group to be successful especially in the late game.

This is seen all the time in PuGs in practically every game in the genre, especially with bosses that have complex mechanics and consistent AoE attacks. A dungeon run typically has several ways to "fail" and many are on a per-player or per role basis. For Example:

Tanks can wipe a party through:

Failing to keep aggro
Pulling too many trash packs at once
Mispositioning (typically playing too far forwards)
Failing mechanics (doesn't account for major dmg spike, doesn't account for changes in rotation etc)
Poor resource management (typically leads to failing to keep aggro or failing mechanics)

Healers can wipe a party through:

Failing to provide adequate healing to the tank
Mispositioing (typically playing too far backwards)
Failing mechanics (doesn't account for party-wide damage, doesn't account for major dmg spike etc)
Poor resource management (sometimes can be a result of the tank pulling too fast)
"Gifting" aggro to somebody else

DPS can wipe a party through:

Mispositioning (fire, cleave attacks, more fire, AoEs, pulling mobs etc)
Failing mechanics (doesn't account for changes in rotation, or any other "special" task a healer or tank can't do in a fight)
Poor resource management (using giant steroids sub-optimally or not using them at all)
"Gifting" aggro to somebody else

As we can all see there are more ways a healer or a tank can ruin a party run; however, we always see dps players making these mistakes most often. Why? Part of it is that it is easier to make these mistakes as a dps player. Their job is to do as much damage as possible as quickly as possible while also staying alive. Several DPS players simply try to use the same rotation in every dungeon in an attempt to get the highest numbers possible.

This mindset, combined with the fact that a dungeon party will (typically) have more people focusing on dps than tanking or healing means players (especially those who tank or heal) are more likely to run into players who think dpsing is a simple task.

In fact I have a story about something similar:

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When I was playing BnS my friend played a Force Master. Due to the nature of both the game and the class he was able to get through early game content (up to BsH and PoH) without worrying about mechanics AT ALL. This caused many issues when we got to these dungeons, he didn't do his one job in the Slashimi fight (frost party) iframe crucial abilities (Poharan fire) got one shot by the Terror multiple times and ended up ruining multiple runs. Luckily the guy wasn't dumb, he eventually learned from his mistakes and started responding correctly. This process repeated every time a boss had a unique mechanic or there was a difficulty spike in content (Skypetal Planes, Asura, Ebondrake Cita, etc)

So while there are many times we just want to flame that "stupid assassin" or "useless mage" sometimes it is better to take a step back and just let them learn. Repeated stupid mistakes, shouldn't really happen (standing in the fire, dieing to melee cleave attacks as a ranged class) there is a learning process.

While this learning process would become easier if people did their own research beforehand or even simply asked for in-game reminders, the elitist attitudes around late game and group content doesn't help at all.

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You do have a point that there are plenty of tanks and healers who are equally terrible at their jobs in game. It's much easier to tell when tanks or healers are bad from my experience. You bring up BNS which is an interesting comparison for this point considering it doesn't have the nuanced triad role triangle. Additionally I agree people who are bad shouldn't necessarily be carried, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Some people will just want to get it over with while others will want to kick them. It all depends on whose in your group, I suppose.

Pentrep wrote:

...You do have a point that there are plenty of tanks and healers who are equally terrible at their jobs in game. It's much easier to tell when tanks or healers are bad from my experience. You bring up BNS which is an interesting comparison for this point considering it doesn't have the nuanced triad role triangle. Additionally I agree people who are bad shouldn't necessarily be carried, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Some people will just want to get it over with while others will want to kick them. It all depends on whose in your group, I suppose.

While bringing up BnS can be considered an awkard choice, I did it for two reasons.

• I know for a fact that Force Master is a lurker on these forums
• The fact the game doesn't have traditional healers makes it easier to recognize bad players

The BnS anecdote wasn't essential to my claim, that is why I didn't have my final paragraphs as part of the spoiler. It was simply designed to be a way to both taunt my friend and to provide examples to times where a dps player wiped a party due to failing mechanics.

That aside, I agree that who is in your group is very important, but understanding you won't always have a perfect group is just as important.

Tycon wrote:

While bringing up BnS can be considered an awkard choice, I did it for two reasons.

• I know for a fact that Force Master is a lurker on these forums
• The fact the game doesn't have traditional healers makes it easier to recognize bad players

The BnS anecdote wasn't essential to my claim, that is why I didn't have my final paragraphs as part of the spoiler. It was simply designed to be a way to both taunt my friend and to provide examples to times where a dps player wiped a party due to failing mechanics.

That aside, I agree that who is in your group is very important, but understanding you won't always have a perfect group is just as important.

Yeah, that's true. You just got to learn how to take the bad with the good and move on. It's all a part of the MMO gaming experience.

midnasan wrote:

I watched a moment ago again a Twitch video with an english Bless online player (JP). The Tank was offline (DC or dunno was offline). There were 5 adds to Healer for heal aggro then. And he didn´t could rezz the dead Ranger, cause of adds. And the Player couldn´t wait or had any appreciation for this situation.

"Rezz me b**ch" , "Heal me!" or "Your fault" are standard patters for any inanely DPS/DD and sometimes Tanks, too.
A Paladin is more specialised to focus on one person to heal and to shield the party and only has a fistful of AOE-healing.
A Mystic is more specialised to focus on AOE-heals, but not as strong to heal permanently full life to everyone.

But both healer classes CAN´T heal every s*it in any situation. Nor PvE, nor PvP, nor RvR.
It is not only in BO, even in other games random DPS/DDs/Tanks gripe often about the Healer.
Yes, there can be bad people, but lots of them try their best everyday. And to heal is not to say, that you only stand there all the time and press 1 2 1 2 1 1 5 like "3 button player".
A good healer is walking a lot of the time during a boss fight and has to enable wise any support/heal skill, even they have cooldown, yes my dear DPS/Tanks.

Every Healer class in most of any MMORPG has its limits to heal/support their party.

Why can´t they sympathise with it?
As a Healer you also have to watch whole the time to the boss, what it´s doing, where it´s going to, who has aggro and what is it going to do (mechanics etc.).
Supplemental a Healer has to look out for party´s lifepoints and negative effects to party cleanse, own and party´s MP and in some games even to dispel the boss positive effect, plus to keep up buffs/shields.

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The fault lies with healers because they are allowing them to act that way. If i was that healer i would say kick that guy or i will leave and chances are they would pick me over him because its easy to replace DD but not to replace healer. If they kick you instead well nothing is lost you will find new grp easy while they will be stuck in middle of dungeon waiting for god knows how long for new healer.

You need to understand that as a healer or tank its you who holds the power not them because they depend on you but you don't depend on them. That being said you shouldn't act like a jerk because of that but you shouldn't allow them to act like jerks either...